Sammy's Study Log

These study logs seem pretty fun and a good way to track progress. I will detail my learning progress, my goals, my challenges, and anything else that may come up :slight_smile:

I have been wanting to travel to China for basically my whole life; I always wanted to take the plunge and start learning Mandarin, but I never found the motivation and time to do so. I had actually been pretty deep in my Spanish studies the past few years, and that has been going really well! I live in an area with a lot of Spanish speakers and basically no Mandarin speakers, so the resources available for me to learn Spanish are just much, much higher. My Spanish is actually at a pretty good place right now, and I would still be studying it further if I didn’t just get completely addicted to learning Chinese.

Around late May, I saw a Facebook post from a girl from China offering Mandarin tutoring lessons, and I thought, what better time to start learning than now! I sent her a message and set up weekly lessons starting in mid-June. At this point, I have absolutely zero experience with Chinese and Mandarin. I knew some concepts; I knew it was a tonal language and vaguely knew what that meant, and I also knew this was going to be a completely different learning experience compared to Spanish. I decided to dive into some self-study, having absolutely no idea where to start, overwhelmed by the concepts of tones, characters, pronunciations. Spanish was easy because I was already starting with a basis of some knowledge of the language, knowing some words, and being around the language a lot; it was easy to dive into some comprehensible input with Spanish and immerse myself in the language. Chinese, on the other hand, is going to take some extra hand-holding.

I started where I had read was the best place to start, which is with pinyin and pronunciation. For about a week, a couple of hours a day, I would go through a pinyin chart and practice saying each sound and each tone (this would end up paying off greatly for my pronunciation!), getting better at reading pinyin and making all the sounds! After this week, I thought it was probably a good time as ever to start diving into learning actual sentences, vocab, characters, basically the entire language lol.

It was around this time, at the beginning of June, that I discovered HanziHero, which has completely changed how I study vocab! I had known that I should be looking into spaced repetition, and that, despite flashcards not being useful for my Spanish learning, it would probably be required for Chinese. I messed around with Anki for a little bit, but HanziHero is just too convenient, not to mention the premade mnemonics for everything! It has quickly become my favorite part of my Chinese studying! In terms of all the resources used at this time, it’s mostly been Du Chinese, Little Fox, HanziHero, and my weekly textbook and tutor study.

We’re at about 3 months since I started learning Chinese, starting from complete zero. I just finished my HSK1 textbook last week and will be starting HSK2 very soon. In HanziHero, I am already nearly done with all of the characters from HSK2 and don’t plan on slowing down! My reading skills and character recognition are improving very steadily; basically, I can recognize all of the HSK1 characters without having to use the mnemonic at all. In terms of my plans moving forward, I will continue to use all the same resources I do now, but now that I feel I have a really good framework of vocabulary under my belt, I am going to be increasing the comprehensible input I consume by a lot. I will be filling my day with as much passive and active listening as I can, really internalizing the sound and flow of Mandarin.

My current goal is to be at HSK 4 level by next summer when I plan to travel to China! My main focus in Chinese is on reading and conversational skills (not writing yet, though maybe eventually if I want to actually get HSK certified!). It is my goal that I can handle myself while I’m in China and be able to converse with people without the use of a translator app at all. It feels a bit ambitious, but I also certainly feel it’s doable and feel that my pace is good! Language learning is, of course, not one linear path, with lots of ups and downs, good days and bad days, but considering where I was just a few months ago to now, I have high belief in myself!

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Awesome progress! I look forward to following along :slight_smile:

(Thanks for the kind words about HanziHero!)

We should improve the pinyin chart in HanziHero :thinking: the main thing lacking is access to the audio, right? Though when it comes to practicing like you had in mind, perhaps the audio would be lacking in nuance since they’re generated

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I will always sing HanziHero’s praises! Not to mention the UI looks incredibly clean as well!

The Pinyin chart is a great tool, especially for those who are just starting their journey, so it definitely could be worth some effort to improve the chart on here. Definitely the main thing that is missing is the audio for all of the tones. Yoyo Chinese has a really good pinyin chart with native speaker pronunciations and even some quick video tutorials on those most difficult sounds to make. I think it really depends on what your vision and goals are for HanziHero if it’s worth putting effort into the Pinyin chart. Is HanziHero an all-in-one place for all things Chinese language learning, or is it a place for learning and studying characters and vocabulary? Your Pinyin chart is interesting as well because the sounds line up with the sound components used in HanziHero as opposed to following just the standard initials and finals. Personally, I feel that makes the chart a bit too big and cumbersome to scroll through compared to others out there that just use the standard initials and finals, but I can also see the argument that this Pinyin chart is more tailored towards the HanziHero curriculum, meaning it stands out from other Pinyin chart resources.

Just some of my thoughts I figured I’d throw out there :head_shaking_vertically:

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Great point! I forgot about the standard way pinyin charts are created vs our system. And you’re right, ultimately we’re focused on characters and vocabulary :slight_smile: perhaps we can still attach audio should time permit

If you ever have other ideas on how to make this site better suit your studying, let me know!

In any case, HSK-4 by next Summer sounds like a great bar to set. I look forward to hearing about your travels to China when they come to pass!

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Oh I will for sure be updating when my trip happens!

It’s probably been requested before, but my main request for a feature would be translating the other way, AKA instead of reading the Chinese character(s) and typing in the English translation, you would read an English word or phrase and translate it into Chinese. HanziHero is amazing for recognition, but for practicing recall, I find myself looking towards other resources. It could be an extra mode that is separate from reviews and lessons; you could choose to do characters or words or both from your entire pool of learned stuff or from a certain HSK level, something like that! Some difficulties I see with this feature, though, are how words that have multiple translations would work. Like, if, for example, the English word was “self,” would the correct answer be 自 or 己 or 自己? Maybe you would only allow a words mode and a characters mode, but there would still be duplicates. I haven’t thought it all the way through, but it was something I figured I’d throw out there, as I find it very important. This sort of practice would help transition from thinking in English to thinking in Chinese!

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It’s a good study mode! Figuring out a way to make it easy to select which part of your review pool you want to review will be the interesting puzzle to work out :slight_smile:

I think some sort of general “Custom Study” which supports all of these other study mode suggestions would be pretty neat. Thanks for the feedback!

Time for my monthly update on my progress! Things have been going really well and I am excited to detail my journey!

Since my last study log, I have not missed a single day of studying. I did not let even my busiest of days get in the way of my Chinese study! For some of the numbers, it’s been 31 days (technically 33, but I’m saying 31 since on the day of my post I did my study time, and I haven’t done my study today yet) since my last update. In that time I have learned 221 characters, 358 words, 57 components, and 3 sounds. My amount of reviews are slowly creeping up, I currently have anywhere from around 130-150 reviews every day, and I get an average of 91-94% correct every review. I’ve only got 1 sound left before I have learned every single one, and I’ve only got 140 components left as well! With Chinese feeling like such a monumental task, it feels good to have these things that I am a majority done with, some small victories along the way! With these numbers, I’ve learned an average of 7.12 characters and 11.55 words a day! I don’t have my China trip fully planned just yet, but it’ll probably be around August that I go, and at this pace by August 1st, 2027 I will have learned an additional 2,167 characters on top of the 619 I’ve already learned. That’s 2,786 characters and I am extremely pleased with that number! Hanzi Hero itself has 3,274 characters total in it’s curriculum, so by that point I would be nearly done with HSK 7-9, which is really incredible! With my goal of being HSK4 level by the time for my trip, it appears I am well beyond that pace! As we all know though, Chinese is more than just character memorization and flash cards, so I will go into everything else I’ve been working on on top of Hanzi Hero!

DuChinese has been a huge part of my study. I read many stories and lessons every day. I throw in a mix of just listening, reading and listening at the same time, and reading in my head or out loud with no audio assistance. It generally depends what environment I’m in for what I do, but when I’m at home and don’t have to worry about noise or anything like that, I generally like to do everything for just one story, going through it multiple times, and even doing some shadowing as well. I have found all of my skills improving greatly doing this, and I am excited to be able to read more complicated stories as time goes on! What I have come to discover is that I feel I am really good at character memorization, and my vocabulary is outpacing my comprehension skills. I don’t believe this to be an inherently bad thing, but what it does mean is that vocabulary I am learning now isn’t showing up in texts I can read right now. I have been very pleased with my progress in comprehension, listening, and speaking, but it would be my preference if my pace could be even faster to keep up with my vocabulary! I will be giving even more time towards these things to see if it’s something I can sustain or if I see more results. If all learning could happen at the same time, that would tie everything together in a perfect bow all at once rather than having all of the pieces spread apart and having to gather them together every time.

Those two things have been the very bulk of my study over the past month, but there are many other things I do to fill my life with as much Chinese as absolutely possible! Things like listening to Chinese music throughout my day, watching simple Chinese vlogs and other forms of comprehensible input, listening to native conversations to internalize the flow of Chinese, scrolling through RedNote, and using HelloChinese. Besides the comprehensible input, all of these things are small supplementary things that won’t make you fluent on your own, but exist to give as much exposure to Chinese as possible! I upped my comprehensible input a lot since my last post as I said I would, mostly through DuChinese, and it has been nothing but fantastic for me. As my skills continue to grow, I am excited to be able to watch and listen to a wider variety of content. I am definitely going to try and throw more video content into my routine.

Overall, things have never been better for my studying! My consistency is at an all time high and I’m not feeling any burnout or any desire to slow down, only to speed up! If anyone ever has any questions, comments, improvements to my routine, or anything else, please don’t be afraid to ask or tell me! Thank you for reading! I hope you have a good day!

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I’m in that same upper-beginner dynamic where my vocab acquisition is outpacing my overall comprehension. It’s similarly also DuChinese that’s illustrating that tension well for me. I’m finding that it’s worthwhile to keep track of any unknown-to-me words in DuChinese readings by saving them in that app. Then maybe like every half a week to a week or so, I go over that DC list and delete anything from it that I’ve subsequently learned from HH. I’m always striking out more from that list than I expect to, which is very satisfying!

I’m holding off on adding every single unfamiliar character I come across in DuChinese into my HH queue, in part for load management and in part because I’m prioritizing other word lists. I am finding it helpful though to notice when DuChinese exposure has taught me a word well enough that I’m able to recall that word (meaning + sound/tone) without a lookup in that app. That’s the sign for me to go ahead and put that word at the top of my HH priority queue to take advantage of my brain already doing the memorization work anyways. Happened to me today with 难!

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The pinyin chart now allows you to click on tones that map to actual characters within the curriculum. Thanks for the suggestion!

This number may go up a bit… :wink:

Great progress!

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I notice DuChinese has both mobile and web apps. Which do you all use usually? I remember @gnargnar mentioned reading before bed, so I imagine phone for that case, but maybe the web on occasion otherwise?

For me, mostly on the web. I find I am more focused when I am not on my phone, but I will occasionally use the mobile app and read while I am out and about,

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Not who you asked but 100% phone for me (didn’t even know it had a webapp).

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I use pretty much exclusively the mobile app for DuChinese. They don’t have feature parity between mobile and web and my impression from some use and poking around is that their web is spottier at both tracking your reading/words encountered and also at browsing their available readings. Again just IMO and I may not just know where everything is on their web version, but it was certainly clunkier when I tried it out a few weeks back.

In contrast the mobile app has effective stat tracking, good browsing (search and filter across categories), an okay dedicated audio player mode w/o the text on the screen (only okay since I haven’t found a way to download audio so you can get random buffering lags between chapters), and the ability to download stories for offline reading. I went camping last weekend and got to read with no phone service at all and dictionary lookup still worked, it was great. Mobile all the way for DuChinese currently.

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Wanted to post a small update. I have now come across all characters up to HSK 3! I am at 660 characters total, and I am ready for the challenge of HSK 4!

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Monthly update time again! October was an incredibly busy month for me with work and life stuff requiring a lot of me. Despite that, I never missed a single day of Chinese practice, even staying up extra late if I had to. I wasn’t able to get in as much practice as I would’ve wanted, but I made sure to fill up really any free time I had with as much Chinese studying as my brain could handle, and also made sure to fill as many moments in my day listening and thinking about Chinese.

For the numbers, I’ve had 32 study sessions since my last update. In that time I have learned 207 characters, 400 words, 39 components, and 1 sound (the final sound in the curriculum!). My reviews I would say are slightly higher than last month, with the range hovering around 140-160 reviews every day. With these numbers, I’ve learned an average of 6.47 characters and 12.5 words a day! Interestingly, my average characters actually went down this month by a decent amount. I had expected them to stay around the same or to go up a little bit with my lessons having less and less components. What I believe is happening is that as my character library continues to grow, there is a higher percentage of words available to me with each character learned. This is absolutely not a bad thing and is really cool to see, but I still expect that eventually my average characters per day will approach 7.

For the most part, I have not changed my study routine and continue to use the same resources. As I had touched on before though, October was an absolutely insane month for me. I was either waking up extremely early to fit in my Chinese study, or I was getting home really late and studying well into the night. This was certainly not the most ideal month of studying for me, but no matter how busy it gets I never want to have a day with absolutely zero studying. At the minimum, I always want to complete my HH for the day and get some good reading and listening on DuChinese done. These to me are my most important things and as such have become my priority. Despite that though, it can feel incredibly frustrating to me when I can’t study as much as I want to. My motivation to study is still incredibly high, but as much as I wish I could just study Chinese all day unfortunately there are other things in life that take priority. I think it’s incredibly important to recognize this and to plan accordingly for situations exactly like this. My advice to everyone is to have a daily study plan for your ideal days, what you can reasonably fit into your days, but to also have a plan ready for your most busiest of days when they come up. Even if that means listening to Chinese audio while you drive or recording yourself speaking Chinese. I think the importance of consistency is the absolute most important for language learning and helps build important habits. If one busy day stops you from studying at all, I think that can snowball into missing more and more days. Show up every day and it becomes part of your routine!

Also to briefly touch on it, but effective studying also means taking care of yourself. That means eating right, drinking plenty of water, and probably most important of all is a good sleep schedule. Sleep is where your brain takes everything you saw and learned and starts building those patterns in your mind and ingraining them. I certainly had some nights where I was not getting my highest quality of sleep so that is something I hope to improve upon this month!

I am hopeful that this month will be less insane than October! I have decided next year instead of just a China trip, I am going to do a big Asia trip. This would include traveling to 11 countries in Asia, and would have me spending 2 months in mainland China, 2 weeks in Taiwan, and even a week in Singapore. Very exciting things coming! If anyone ever has any questions, comments, improvements to my routine, or anything else, please don’t be afraid to ask or tell me! Thank you for reading! I hope you have a good day!

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It’s funny because it’s easy to get into a negative feedback loop where one stays up later and later to do reviews, only to retain less and less because you’re getting less sleep :sweat_smile: It makes me wonder whether we should instead cut the day at exactly 12am, rather than the current 4am

Exciting change of plans! I hope finding accommodations or in general figuring out your itinerary won’t be too exhausting… especially with coordination between flights. Even though one may not get the most “bang for your buck” there is something appealing about showing up and have a loose schedule to check things out on a whim. I guess it depends what you want to see and do.

Great update! Looking forward to the next one!

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It’s certainly an interesting topic of discussion. I wasn’t even aware that the cutoff went until 4am! I’m not sure if you guys have these sorts of data tracking tools built in, but it would be interesting to see at what times people are generally starting and completing their reviews. Are there a good amount of people that really take advantage of the fact that the cutoff goes until 4am?

It’s super exciting and the current plan is that I would be travelling for 6 months, From July 2027 to January 2028. I love a good spreadsheet and planning the travel and flights isn’t too bad, the main difficulty is planning around the possibility of Typhoons, especially around July!

This is exactly how I like to travel, structured but keeping things open. There are specific things that I really want to do and I will make sure to have those planned out. How my rough plan looks specifically for China is “I will spend X amount of days in X province, and I really want to do this specific thing. I will schedule for that specific thing and the rest of the time will be open to do whatever I come across or wherever I feel like going.” I already know ahead of time that in China it’s pretty important to book appointments ahead of time. The Forbidden City for example you can’t just show up and expect to go in, you gotta book a bit before hand. With everything I want to do I’m already planning on going to 11 provinces in China